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Offline RedR8R

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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2011, 02:00:48 AM »
KU will have a decided schematic advantage offensively in every game they play!!!
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2011, 02:15:02 AM »
Bummed that KU won't be able to have t-shirts for the Border War that say we have a "Decided Schematic" advantage over Miz-Zou
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2011, 02:16:42 AM »
Charlie Weis?  A bit of a "letdown" hire, I'd say.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2011, 02:26:55 AM »
Kind of surprised here, I didn't even think his name was high on anybody's list right now.  Does he really get fans excited?  If you're going for the big name, he ain't big enough (cue the ironic jokes).  If you're looking for the offensive guru, there's better ones that him.  If you're going for disciplinarian, he ain't one (and you just fired one).  If you're going for program builder, he ain't popular and likeable enough.  I just don't get this hire.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2011, 02:35:03 AM »
Well, at the risk of being politically incorrect, their most recent successes have been with LARGE head coaches.....
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2011, 03:18:32 AM »
Quote from: RedR8R on December 09, 2011, 02:35:03 AM
Well, at the risk of being politically incorrect, their most recent successes have been with LARGE head coaches.....
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2011, 05:19:08 AM »
Quote from: architechguy on December 09, 2011, 02:26:55 AM
Kind of surprised here, I didn't even think his name was high on anybody's list right now.  Does he really get fans excited?  If you're going for the big name, he ain't big enough (cue the ironic jokes).  If you're looking for the offensive guru, there's better ones that him.  If you're going for disciplinarian, he ain't one (and you just fired one).  If you're going for program builder, he ain't popular and likeable enough.  I just don't get this hire.

I don't know why you'd say he's not a big name hire.   He's pretty well known all over the country.  I doubt he could go into very many high schools and have the coach ask him who he is.   The only bigger "Name" available coach that I can think of would have been Jim Tressel who wasn't interested.

The rumors are that he is bringing Jim Leavit as his DC after Leavit's season is finished with the 49ers.  If that is indeed the case, I'd call this a homerun hire.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2011, 05:29:03 AM »
IF Leavitt leaves for KU, that would be a good combo.

Weis' offenses have been good(minus this year) and Leavitt is known for good defensive coaching.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2011, 06:14:54 AM »
Agreed if KU get Jim Leavitt it helps alot since he won't have to worry about the defense (not he would have anyways).
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2011, 01:23:59 PM »
Weis and Leavitt would be an amazing combination.

The better coaches turned down KU, but they made a big splash *chuckle* with Weis. I think he's a good choice, but again, unsure of his ability as a head coach. He was 35-27 at Notre Dame. That's not terrible, really. I think KU would be thrilled if he had that record.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2011, 02:07:58 PM »
When the HC you hire has had only 1 previous HC job in college, and failed at it, it's not a homerun hire by any means.

And that's regardless of who the DC will be. 
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2011, 02:13:02 PM »
Fame does not equal quality.  Charlie Weis is famous, but for many of the wrong reasons.  Bill Callahan was a big name too, and he had good offenses at Nebraska.  I don't see any college teams beating down his door.  He comes with too much baggage.  He's Mangino x2, and I'm not even making a fat joke, he's going to clash with the administration at some point down the road.  He's believed to be a prickly personality, notoriously difficult to work with, incapable of cooperating with anyone, arrogant to a fault, believes he's always believes he's the smartest person in the room, and deflects blame to anybody but himself.  I don't dislike Weis at all, these aren't my criticisms of him, it's just the stuff I've read about him over time that leads me to be surprised he got another job.

If this hire gets KU fans excited, then all the power to you guys.  I wish Weis and KU well, I have nothing against either of them.  Sorry if I'm raining on KU's parade, I just don't see the same cause of joy that others see.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2011, 02:17:54 PM »
In his last 3 seasons as a HC, with a lot of talent, Charlie Weis went 15-21.

This year, as OC at UF, the Gators finished with the #102 ranked offense in the country. 
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2011, 02:20:06 PM »
Fire Mangino, and then hire a DC who was fired for striking a player?
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2011, 02:29:32 PM »
Careful there 4Life... we dangerously close to agreeing with each other!

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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2011, 03:26:35 PM »
Quote from: Hsker4Life on December 09, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
Fire Mangino, and then hire a DC who was fired for striking a player?

Unfortunately for KU, I think this was a hindrance in hiring Leavitt or Leach. Bad PR with either of those. Another school might be seen as giving them a second chance... but it shouldn't be KU.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2011, 04:12:40 PM »
Quote from: architechguy on December 09, 2011, 02:13:02 PM
Fame does not equal quality.  Charlie Weis is famous, but for many of the wrong reasons.  Bill Callahan was a big name too, and he had good offenses at Nebraska.  I don't see any college teams beating down his door.  He comes with too much baggage.  He's Mangino x2, and I'm not even making a fat joke, he's going to clash with the administration at some point down the road.  He's believed to be a prickly personality, notoriously difficult to work with, incapable of cooperating with anyone, arrogant to a fault, believes he's always believes he's the smartest person in the room, and deflects blame to anybody but himself.  I don't dislike Weis at all, these aren't my criticisms of him, it's just the stuff I've read about him over time that leads me to be surprised he got another job.

If this hire gets KU fans excited, then all the power to you guys.  I wish Weis and KU well, I have nothing against either of them.  Sorry if I'm raining on KU's parade, I just don't see the same cause of joy that others see.


I can't really argue with any of that.   I was just responding to the statement "if you wanted a big name, he aint one".    Weis if nothing else, has name recognition.    I'm also not worried about his record at Notre Dame.   If he were to go 35-27 with two BCS bowl appearances at KU, they might name the stadium after him.   Notre Dame has better facilities and better fan support, but also higher expectations and higher admission standards.
   
I have my own reservations about him though.   Mainly his reputation for being difficult to work with.   The fact that he is in his 4th job in 4 years might be an indicator of that.  He also didn't have a very good offense at Florida, but as an optimist I can chalk that up to differences of philosophies with Muschamp, especially since he left after one year and reportedly didn't tell anyone he was leaving (odd).



 
Quote from: Hsker4Life on December 09, 2011, 02:07:58 PM
When the HC you hire has had only 1 previous HC job in college, and failed at it, it's not a homerun hire by any means.

And that's regardless of who the DC will be. 

Bill Bellicheck did rather poorly at his first head coaching job in Cleveland and it would have been a shame if he hadn't been given a chance with the Patriots.   I'm not saying Weis is Bellicheck, but just saying he shouldn't be completely written off for his stint at ND (Not that I really view his performance at ND as a failure).



Quote from: LynchMob42 on December 09, 2011, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: Hsker4Life on December 09, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
Fire Mangino, and then hire a DC who was fired for striking a player?

Unfortunately for KU, I think this was a hindrance in hiring Leavitt or Leach. Bad PR with either of those. Another school might be seen as giving them a second chance... but it shouldn't be KU.

Yep.  Agreed.   It's kind of an awkward feeling.   But then again nothing has been announced yet regarding Leavit.   We're just reacting to speculation and rumors here.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2011, 04:59:30 PM »
His final 3 seasons at Notre Dame:

3-9
6-6
6-6
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2011, 05:01:00 PM »
Good hire for KU. No one has been able to succeed at ND lately. Also it's not like Weiss was jobless or anything. He is an NFL coordinator and is coming to KU from a top SEC school. Congrats KU on your new coach.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2011, 05:18:34 PM »
He's an NFL coach who hasn't had success at the collegiate level.

He had great success at New England, but then failed at Notre Dame.

He then went to the NFL Chiefs, and had success in his first year as OC.

He then returned to college, and had no success in his first year as OC. 

He's not a college coach.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2011, 05:22:22 PM »
Weis -
2005: 9-3 lost the Fiesta (Willingham guys) to tOSU, 2006: 10-3 lost the Sugar to LSU, 2007: 3-9, 2008: 7-6 won the Sheraton Hawai'i against Hawai'i, 2009: 6-6 I believe the school declined a bowl after firing him probably didnt want the losing record

'05 W -  @#25 Pitt, @#3 Mich, @Wash, @Purdue, BYU, Tenn, Navy, Syracuse, @Stanford, L - Mich St, #1 SC, #4tOSU in Fiesta
'06 W - @GT, #19 Penn St, @Mich St, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, vs Navy (Balt, MD), @AF, Army, L - #13 Michigan, @#2 SC, #4 LSU in Sugar
'07 W -  @#25 UCLA, Duke @Stanford, L - GT, @#15 Penn St, @Mich, @Mich St, @#25 Purdue, #4 BC, #9 SC, Navy, AF
'08 W - San Diego St, Mich, Purdue, Stanford, @Wash, @Navy vs Hawaii in Hawaii Bowl, L - @Mich St, @#22 N. Car, Pitt, @BC, Syracuse, @#5 SC
'09 W - Nevada, Mich St, @Purdue, Wash, BC, Wazzu, L - @Mich, #6 SC, Navy, @#8 Pitt, UConn, @Stanford

So there you go the Charlie Weis era 
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2011, 05:35:04 PM »
Not saying he's a slam dunk hire by any means, but being cautiously optimistic and willing to give the guy a chance.

The name recognition and previous connections may pay off immediately.   Dayne Crist who war recruited to ND by Weis has scheduled a visit to KU for this weekend.   He should witness an electric atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse with No. 2 Ohio State in town.   Crist only has one year of eligibility left, so if he chooses to come to KU, hopefully this works out better than Nebraska's recent one year transfer QB.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2011, 06:12:26 PM »
I didn't mean to rain on this parade I was curious of Weis's W/L breakdown so I looked and decided to share with you guys. I'd hope for KU's sake that Crist would be better than Sam Keller who blocked Joe Ganz ha
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2011, 06:22:22 PM »
No worries Loper.   There's no parade.  I'm not quite that delusional.   This sort of discussion is exactly what these boards are for.   I know there are lots of reasons for skepticism.   I'm just hoping for the best and have my fingers crossed.
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Re: Big XII coaching changes
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2011, 06:49:20 PM »
Quote from: Mohawk on December 09, 2011, 06:22:22 PM
No worries Loper.   There's no parade.  I'm not quite that delusional.   This sort of discussion is exactly what these boards are for.   I know there are lots of reasons for skepticism.   I'm just hoping for the best and have my fingers crossed.

And as a fan thats what you should do, cheer on your team and coach until the ship goes down (I've admitted on this board doing so with Callahan until it appeared he wouldnt get rid of Coz, plus sucked).
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