Topic: Big XII coaching changes

[Cynical Puppet]

I doubt we see to many of these(beyond assts)...

but Turner Gill was fired after two seasons.

[Mohawk]

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/nov/27/turner-gill-out-ku-football-coach/



Free at last, free at last, praise god almighty we are free at last.

[architechguy]

I had a feeling his days were numbered after all that nonsense came out about players having to turn in cellphones the night before games and how they can't see their girlfriends and so on and so on.  It's not that any of those things are bad, it's just that it's a strong indication that he's focusing on the irrelevant when he could be focusing on so many more important things.

[Cynical Puppet]

I had a feeling his days were numbered after all that nonsense came out about players having to turn in cellphones the night before games and how they can't see their girlfriends and so on and so on.  It's not that any of those things are bad, it's just that it's a strong indication that he's focusing on the irrelevant when he could be focusing on so many more important things.

irrelevent? I guess that depends on where your priorities are.

[longhorn99]

Maybe the players were too depressed to play after not being able to talk to their sweethearts lol 

[architechguy]

I had a feeling his days were numbered after all that nonsense came out about players having to turn in cellphones the night before games and how they can't see their girlfriends and so on and so on.  It's not that any of those things are bad, it's just that it's a strong indication that he's focusing on the irrelevant when he could be focusing on so many more important things.

irrelevent? I guess that depends on where your priorities are.

Well said.  Mine would be on football, not sure where Gill's were.

[thedrUNKenLoper]

Two years just isn't enough time especially when you combine what he got this year with the crappy leftovers of the previous regime. But Turner will get $6mil for his troubles, I had no idea KU's AD was a K-State guy (how they let that happen?) good luck Kansas telling the next guy we wont pay you $2.5 mil.

[Cynical Puppet]

I had a feeling his days were numbered after all that nonsense came out about players having to turn in cellphones the night before games and how they can't see their girlfriends and so on and so on.  It's not that any of those things are bad, it's just that it's a strong indication that he's focusing on the irrelevant when he could be focusing on so many more important things.

irrelevent? I guess that depends on where your priorities are.

Well said.  Mine would be on football, not sure where Gill's were.

It's been documented that Gill is a strong Christian. So much so that you can tell where his decisions in regards to the players were coming from. He could do this kind of stuff at Buffalo, just not at KU.

[Hsker4Life]

2 years isn't enough time. 

Try finding a good coach now.

[Mohawk]

Turner Gill was given two years too long.   He should have never gotten a promotion to a BCS coaching job after going 20-30 at Buffalo.   When he did get hired, he should have never been made the 21st highest paid coach in the country.   Don't feel bad for TG.   He was paid $10 Million for one going 1-16 in conference games and breaking many century old NCAA records in the process.   

Good luck finding a good coach now???    We could bring in just about any high school coach and not do any worse than 120th out of 120th.  KU is already in contact with several big name coaches.   


http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/nov/27/whats-next-ku-football-coaching-candidates/

[SoonerNation#1]

I hear Brent Venables is available. 

[Hsker4Life]

No good coach is going to want to go to a place that just fired a coach after 2 seasons.

[Mohawk]

Gill wasn't fired by the same people that hired him.   A new AD doesn't necessarily have the same obligations to keep a bad coach and give him more time.   Of all the BCS schools that are currently looking for coaches (Arizona, Illinois, Ole Miss, Washington State) KU does and was already paying the highest salary.   I don't think we'll have to worry about Penn State  for a coach either as I don't see anyone decent being interested in that mess.

I think we'll see a big name announced in about a couple of weeks.

[Hsker4Life]

Mangino

[LynchMob42]

I think there are plenty of candidates who want to be a head coach at a BCS school, and the money that goes with it. I don't think Gill's firing will affect to search. Every good candidate will believe that he will succeed, and therefore doesn't need to worry about being fired after two years.

[Mohawk]

For what its worth, Maryland is considering firing Randy Edsal after one season.

[LynchMob42]

Too bad Lew isn't still around to snatch him up.

[Hsker4Life]

I think there are plenty of candidates who want to be a head coach at a BCS school, and the money that goes with it. I don't think Gill's firing will affect to search. Every good candidate will believe that he will succeed, and therefore doesn't need to worry about being fired after two years.

Urban Meyer was contacted by a 3rd party during NU's coaching search after the Solich firing. 

He said he had all the respect in the world for Nebraska, and it's a place he would have definitely considered.  But  he didn't.  He said he didn't want to work at a place that would fire a coach after winning 9 games. 

I see this as a similar circumstance.  KU won't be able to get as good of a coach as they'd like because:
a) Turner Gill is a highy respected man amongst the coaching circle
b) He was given only 2 years

[architechguy]

Well the Mike Leach bandwagon appears to be filling up in Kansas.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/nov/28/zenger-has-guts-hire-leach/

Here's a good list of names KU could be looking at...

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/nov/27/whats-next-ku-football-coaching-candidates/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet

I think Larry Fedora is probably the best name on the list.  Kevin Sumlin should get good consideration too.  I forget the guys name, but the head coach at Tulsa should get a good look.

[thedrUNKenLoper]

It's just going to be hard to get someone after firing a coach after two years at a basketball school, plus the canidates agents are going to ask for more than what Turner got for some sort of security. 5-19 was awful and I don't expect him to rise like Gene Chizik did at Auburn but good luck to KU finding their Paul Rhoades.

[longhorn99]

Gill is 10 million or so richer for a 2 year gig. Respect is earned and he hasn't done anything in terms of results to earn it at KU. I don't get how this hiring contract was written, giving him a huge raise to begin with. Unfortunately he couldn't deliver. I don't feel bad for him as he is being compensated fairly well. If he was getting 800K a year maybe I would feel differently. You gotta deliver to earn that kind of a paycheck.

I think there are plenty of candidates who want to be a head coach at a BCS school, and the money that goes with it. I don't think Gill's firing will affect to search. Every good candidate will believe that he will succeed, and therefore doesn't need to worry about being fired after two years.

Urban Meyer was contacted by a 3rd party during NU's coaching search after the Solich firing. 

He said he had all the respect in the world for Nebraska, and it's a place he would have definitely considered.  But  he didn't.  He said he didn't want to work at a place that would fire a coach after winning 9 games. 

I see this as a similar circumstance.  KU won't be able to get as good of a coach as they'd like because:
a) Turner Gill is a highy respected man amongst the coaching circle
b) He was given only 2 years

[thedrUNKenLoper]

True, he got too much too early due to the previous AD but Mangino didn't exactly leave the an awesome amount of talent behind. He tried to turn the culture around which you can't do in two years and never found a QB, his choices for OC and DC didn't help either.

[architechguy]

I see this as a similar circumstance.  KU won't be able to get as good of a coach as they'd like because:
a) Turner Gill is a highy respected man amongst the coaching circle
b) He was given only 2 years

I don't think coaches look at it that way.  They know this is business and it ain't personal, if a job comes along that is a good opportunity for them personally, they will take it.  They know it's not their concern about what happened to the last guy.  They understand that there is no such thing as job security in this business and that's the very reason they get paid so handsomely.

I think they look more at whether or not they will have a reasonable chance at being successful.  If Kansas can't find a good coach, it will be because the candidates don't think they have that reasonable chance at KU.

[Hsker4Life]

I see this as a similar circumstance.  KU won't be able to get as good of a coach as they'd like because:
a) Turner Gill is a highy respected man amongst the coaching circle
b) He was given only 2 years

I don't think coaches look at it that way.  They know this is business and it ain't personal, if a job comes along that is a good opportunity for them personally, they will take it.  They know it's not their concern about what happened to the last guy.  They understand that there is no such thing as job security in this business and that's the very reason they get paid so handsomely.

I think they look more at whether or not they will have a reasonable chance at being successful.  If Kansas can't find a good coach, it will be because the candidates don't think they have that reasonable chance at KU.

You don't think coaches look at it that way despite being told that Urban Meyer looked at it that way?  Nice!

[Mohawk]

I think its a different comparison.   No one could argue that Gill performed well enough to be retained.   Also there was no improvement from year one to year two.  In fact you could argue that he regressed and eventually lost the team