Topic: Is this the end for JoePa? (Read 403 times)

thedrUNKenLoper · « **on:** November 07, 2011, 11:13:30 PM »

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/At-the-beginning-of-the-wrong-goodbye-for-Joe-Pa?urn=ncaaf-wp9417

So what is everyone's thoughts on this? I've heard on the radio and don't disagree this is worse than NCAA infractions on a school with whats being talked about.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2011, 01:41:54 AM »

I voted no because he is the teflon don of Happy Valley

Hsker4Life · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2011, 04:47:13 PM »

It should be the end. This is absolutely DISGUSTING.

It truly pisses me off.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2011, 06:01:20 PM »

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207730/penn-state-nittany-lions-call-joe-paterno-news-conference

If I could I'd change my vote to he's gone, PC and conference call cancelled today. Should they even play the game this weekend?

Blackshirts · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2011, 06:54:43 PM »

I would be surprised if he coaches against Nebraska

Mohawk · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2011, 07:44:10 PM »

Did he coach this past weekend? This stuff surfaced last week.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2011, 08:09:22 PM »

He has been up in the booth most of the season and Mohawk Penn State had their bye week last week

ebens311 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2011, 08:44:25 PM »

Per The Herd on ESPN Radio, the New York Times has reported Paterno should be out "within days".

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2011, 10:29:23 PM »

Yeah ESPN has had that on the crawl all day citing the NYT.

architechguy · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2011, 11:56:35 PM »

This absolutely must be the end of Joe Paterno! It also must be the end for the assistant coach and former grad assistant that reported the incident. This creton was caught, fraudulently punished, and allowed to hang around campus for 9 years and both Paterno and the assistant coach knew about it the whole time. Each and every day they showed up to work, they had to see a man who they knew molested kids. It's not only inhumane that they didn't contact police, but they didn't even disassociate themselves with the guy. They stood by and let the cover up happen for 9 straight years.

I know that the players, fans and program as a whole are innocent bystanders caught in the middle by their leaders' criminal behavior, but the truth of the matter is that the program was the beneficiary of that criminal cover up. The cover up took place for the sake of the program and its ability to win games. If the scandal had broke in the media back in 2002, there most certainly would've been catestrophic effects on the program, yet the program snuck by unharmed. It's not fair, but it's justice, the program that unjustly escaped consequences 9 years ago should face them now. The entire coaching staff, and athletic department executives need to be replaced, regardless of its effect on the football program.

ebens311 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 09, 2011, 12:16:52 AM »

NCAA Death penalty?

longhorn99 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 09, 2011, 12:49:17 AM »

JoePa needs to quit. I feel bad for the kids and Penn State to be dragged through this. If JoePa knew for 9 years, then that is horrible. I thought he said he was caught by surprise. He needs to go regardless.

architechguy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2011, 02:31:53 AM »

Death penalty... no. NCAA sanctions... yes. I don't know what the grounds for that would be, but I could certainly see how the "lack of institutional control" label could be applied to this situation. The athletic department covered up a heinous felony, surely that falls under some NCAA violation. You have to remember though, the administration's crime is the cover up, not the child abuse. So their punishment has to fit that and not the abuse.

My only sympathy in this case is for the victims and their families. I have no sympathy for Penn State at all, even if the current players and fans are innocent. I look at them as unwitting accessories to the conspiracy, even though they weren't active participants they still contributed to the culture of the program that allowed this to happen.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #13 on:** November 09, 2011, 02:43:27 AM »

Well this is the last year of Paterno's contract and look who have fallen so far and I still think the University President goes down. Reading more and more about this makes you do you a facepalm among other things (Sandusky, always having kids with him in addition he and his wife adopted all their kids) and in 1998 they had tape of him admitting guilt to a victims mother. This is a embarrassing stain one that I saw on twitter today saying PSU should forefit the game (the B1G can't want the Nittany Lions to make the CCG).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state : Grantland story which is pretty good.

TxCoUnTrYbOy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2011, 06:46:51 AM »

The NCAA stated that, as of now, they are not planning any action because this is a criminal matter and the NCAA stepping in would only get in the way of law enforcement.

Joe Paterno has had a legendary career coaching and became a role model to so many young people. Now, one mistake on his part will end up costing him everything he has worked so hard to accomplish over 50+ years. I would not be surprised if Paterno will be fired immediately and wont even get to see the field against Nebraska.

The entire situation is just absolutely sickening. Not only Sandusky (he will have a special place in hell), but the entire coaching staff, Athletic Director, and all of the big executives who covered this all up.

I dont know all of the details about what happened, but as far as I can tell, Paterno was alerted to the situation and reported it to the higher ups. Apparently that is standard protocol, then the higher ups are supposed to contact law enforcement, but instead they tried to hide the whole thing. At this point, Paterno properly reported the situation and saw the whole thing was being covered up. This is where I have completely lost all respect for Paterno. Instead of saying "this is wrong, they wont fix it so I will" he said "I did what I was supposed, its not my fault they did nothing about it. He accepted the coverup instead of saying no and notifying the authorities.

I probably have some wrong info in there somewhere, if anybody finds somewhere with all of the latest info please let me know.

Sandusky needs his cellmate to be a 300 pound man named "Tiny", then he can experience being the helpless, defenseless boy.

Things are gonna get uglier before they get better. Last I heard there were over 20 men that have come forward about being a victim to Sandusky. If only 20 have spoken up, I would have to think there would still be 2-4 people that have stayed quiet for every 1 that speaks out. We could end up with 100+ victims, plus the ones that will never speak up. Situations really dont get much worse than this.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everybody affected by this: the players, students, families, and most importantly the victims. It is just and all around horrible situation.

Blackshirts · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2011, 01:54:04 PM »

Sandusky was in the PSU weightroom as recently as last week, regents are meeting today, pretty sure he is gone

architechguy · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2011, 04:40:58 PM »

Blackshirts, that's what actually angers me about this whole thing. Sandusky was sheltered for the last 9 years, protected in the cacoon of the PSU athletic department. He was supposedly banned from the athletic department after 2002, but that penalty was not enforced since he clearly kept coming around. Are we honestly supposed to believe that Paterno didn't see the man every day, or at least several times a week? So Paterno turned him in for punishment, was aware of said punishment, and said nothing for 9 years as the punishment was ignored. Paterno himself was an accessory to this cover up. That is not "one mistake" that stains 60+ years of service to to the university. That is a mistake a day for 9 years, that's 3285 mistakes that stain 60+ years of his service to Penn State. I hate that it ends this way, but I have to say that Paterno's legacy is not going to be one of "doing things the right way", his legacy will that he was an accessory to a horrible conspiracy. Think about it, what is the first thing you will think about in 20 years when Paterno's name comes up?

Mohawk · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2011, 04:51:06 PM »

If the number of victims end up being in the hundreds (or heck even 50), is this the worst crime/scandal ever in sports? Is it worse than Mike Tysons' rape of a fan, and Rae Carruth's murder of his pregnant girlfriend, and Baylor's coverup of a murder? Probably so.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #18 on:** November 09, 2011, 05:45:52 PM »

Penn State was a squeaky clean program until 72 hours, how you let Sandusky hold an office, how the GA didn't take matter into his own hands, how JoePa only went to the AD who in turn didn't go to the police. PSU had one short coming after another in this matter and the FACT that Sandusky was on campus last week grinds my gears. Sadly Saturday won't be just about a football game, senior day or the final home game of a legendary coach.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #19 on:** November 09, 2011, 06:33:31 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=2&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha27

Saw this from someone I follow on Twitter

architechguy · « **Reply #20 on:** November 09, 2011, 06:40:48 PM »

I don't know if this question is out of bounds or not, but how do we really know Penn State was a squeaky clean program until 72 hours ago? Have we not learned in the last week just how far that administration will go to control the flow of information out of that program? They live in a sheltered cacoon of State College, PA, three hours from anywhere. They have a crony local media and many have said the local police look the other way in regards to PSU athletes. Isn't it at least plausible that incidents of all various kinds were happening there all along, and this is just the first story that they couldn't keep a lid on? It was the culture that Paterno and the administration worked so hard to create that allowed this to happen. The idea that we're not like everybody else, nothing bad could happen here because we won't allow it. It provided the perfect hiding place for an injustice like this. The credibility of that athletic department and school administration is gone.

Like the writer in the Grantland article said, Penn State has lost its soul far worse than Maryland ever did from the Len Bias tragedy. The only way they're ever going to regain their soul is through an entire culture change, that's going to mean parting ways with the past. As painful as it sounds, they're going to have to break ties with Paterno and the entire administration and start over completely. They have to build a new identity, a new relationship with the media and alumni that's based on transparency and openness.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2011, 11:23:37 PM »

Well to keep a conspiracy like this quiet for as long as they did does bring that up. 1620 the zone in Omaha today had a journalism professor on which was a pretty good he mentioned several things you did Archie.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2011, 11:42:57 PM »

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/richard_deitsch/11/09/bigtennetwork.paterno/index.html

I post this while watching the BTN's Football and Beyond Show that is 90 minutes tonight as mentioned at the end of the article.

mpalmer4 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:27:44 AM »

This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.

It's been quite the ride in our first year in the Big Ten.

Hsker4Life · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:21:38 AM »

JoePa has been fired.

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