Topic: Big East officially invites Villanova to move up to FBS football (Read 974 times)

Bone Crusher · « **on:** September 11, 2010, 04:54:16 PM »

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5553575

I don't know how that will work mainly due to the stadium issue for 'Nova.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2010, 03:15:09 AM »

We had the Villanova volleyball team here this weekend for a tournament so I chatted with them about this and they seemed excited. They think that Franklin Field in DT Philly or the Link would be the stadium since their on-campus site.

Hawghiggs · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2010, 11:40:48 PM »

This is a joke. Their are several programs that deserve to be givin BCS status. Nova is not one of them. The Big east is proving that they are a joke as a BCS conference.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2010, 11:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Hawghiggs on September 17, 2010, 11:40:48 PM

This is a joke. Their are several programs that deserve to be givin BCS status. Nova is not one of them. The Big east is proving that they are a joke as a BCS conference.

they are only the defending I-AA champs

Wildcat Fan · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:44:36 AM »

That's true, 'Loper, but why on earth do they get invited to be in a BCS conference and teams like Boise, BYU, TCU, etc., etc. just have to sit there and take it? I agree with Higgs, what a joke.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:56:03 AM »

well the NCAA should make the MWC a BCS league (which they won't) and it wasn't long ago Boise was a I-AA school.

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2010, 09:33:08 PM »

UConn used to be I-AA too.

Blackshirts · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2010, 04:12:11 PM »

The reason why is because Nova is already in the Big East for basketball, therefore it makes sense

nickpapageorgio81 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2010, 04:33:59 AM »

Quote from: Blackshirts on October 03, 2010, 04:12:11 PM

The reason why is because Nova is already in the Big East for basketball, therefore it makes sense

It makes sense geographically too..........

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2010, 01:40:38 AM »

adding the Philly market also c'mon do it already

usarmymike · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2010, 04:02:29 AM »

They need to go ahead and invite Memphis, UCF and Marshall as well, and drop the remaining basketball schools to become a 12 team conference. As of right now it would be just as strong as the ACC in football and basketball.

Cynical Puppet · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2010, 10:05:44 PM »

Quote from: usarmymike on October 28, 2010, 04:02:29 AM

They need to go ahead and invite Memphis, UCF and Marshall as well, and drop the remaining basketball schools to become a 12 team conference. As of right now it would be just as strong as the ACC in football and basketball.

I've been in favor of this as well. But they won't do it. Not unless the NCAA steps in, which won't happen.

architechguy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2010, 01:41:03 AM »

You guys gotta realize who the Big East is. They're a 50/50 conference... half large state schools with huge enrollments and half small Catholic schools. That means the votes are split 50/50. They couldn't vote out a school like Georgetown or St Johns even if they wanted to. They also don't have room to add another outsider because that would put their membership at 17 schools. They could offer a school football-only membership, but who would accept that? Anybody who goes to the Big East is gonna want a slice of basketball action. So really, the Big East only has 8 candidates for expansion... the same 8 schools they already have that don't play football. Unfortunately, only 3 of those 8 even play football at all... Villanova (FCS), Georgetown, (D-III), and Notre Dame (the unicorn of college football). The Big East has no leverage to negotiate, their choices are to kick out one of their members to make room for somebody, promote from within (which they've done), convince Notre Dame to join completely, or expand an already overwhelmingly huge conference and cumbersome conference to fit more teams.

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2010, 11:15:02 PM »

Archi,

Georgetown is D1 FCS football...the NCAA bylaws prohibt you from having football and basketball from not being in the same division like Division 1, D2, or D3.

I believe the Big East will eventually split.

architechguy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:11:02 AM »

They have an identity crisis coming. What are they going to do with all these Catholic schools that don't play football? They have to split the football money with them, slicing a pie 17 ways doesn't really work all that well. Those Catholic schools play some great basketball though, but basketball doesn't produce the same kind of revenue.

Villanova probably moves up to FBS, they're supposed to give an answer by January. That would make 10 football programs. . They need to gather all their Catholic school presidents and AD's and beg Notre Dame to join in football as well. That would make 11 football programs. At that point, they could raid the CUSA for one more team. They've already proven that issues which a big deal to other schools don't much matter to them. Things like church affiliations, academic standards, research grants, etc aren't a big deal to the Big East. That pretty much keeps their options open where the Big 10/Pac 10/Big 12 are choosy in they invite.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #15 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:32:02 AM »

Adding TCU seems like a act of desperation for both sides and how must Boise feel today 11/29/10

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #16 on:** November 30, 2010, 04:14:26 PM »

Quote from: architechguy on November 30, 2010, 04:11:02 AM

They have an identity crisis coming. What are they going to do with all these Catholic schools that don't play football? They have to split the football money with them, slicing a pie 17 ways doesn't really work all that well. Those Catholic schools play some great basketball though, but basketball doesn't produce the same kind of revenue.

Villanova probably moves up to FBS, they're supposed to give an answer by January. That would make 10 football programs. . They need to gather all their Catholic school presidents and AD's and beg Notre Dame to join in football as well. That would make 11 football programs. At that point, they could raid the CUSA for one more team. They've already proven that issues which a big deal to other schools don't much matter to them. Things like church affiliations, academic standards, research grants, etc aren't a big deal to the Big East. That pretty much keeps their options open where the Big 10/Pac 10/Big 12 are choosy in they invite.

The Big East football pie is not split 16 ways...it is split only between the football schools. The basketball money is split 16 ways.

A lot of people believe ND would join the Big Ten but people also forget that ND is non-AAU which is a barrier to their entry while there are other AAU schools they could pick up such as Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Missouri, Sycrause, you get the idea. That means Norte Dame will most likely go to the Big East if they have to shed their football independence.

But those Norte Dame to the Big 12 rumors won't go away too.

architechguy · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2010, 04:12:44 AM »

The only barrier to Notre Dame's entry to the Big 10 is Notre Dame... nothing else. The Big 10 would welcome them with open arms, but they won't go. I agree with you, if Notre Dame joins any conference it'll be the one they have most in common with, the Big East.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2010, 04:27:30 AM »

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/29/big-east-expansion-about-to-leave-basketball-behind/

FanHouse talks about expansion

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** December 01, 2010, 06:15:47 AM »

Quote from: architechguy on December 01, 2010, 04:12:44 AM

The only barrier to Notre Dame's entry to the Big 10 is Notre Dame... nothing else. The Big 10 would welcome them with open arms, but they won't go. I agree with you, if Notre Dame joins any conference it'll be the one they have most in common with, the Big East.

And Norte Dame would go where a lot of Catholics are...in the NE.

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2010, 07:40:56 PM »

Looks like I'm seeing on message boards that 'Nova's faculty has voted 29-0 AGAINST the move to Big East football. After looking at what 'Nova has to offer (currently play in a 12k stadium) and given their just under $300 million dollar endowment, I have to conclude that 'Nova will most likely stay put which would open the door for UCF, East Carolina, or Marshall to go to the Big East.

I think it's safe to stick a fork in the idea of 'Nova moving up.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2010, 07:57:29 PM »

Well thats too bad but UCF probably helps them more at this point having a nice rivalry on I-4 between the Bulls & Knights.

Bone Crusher · « **Reply #22 on:** December 06, 2010, 11:16:16 PM »

Quote from: thedrUNKenLoper on December 06, 2010, 07:57:29 PM

Well thats too bad but UCF probably helps them more at this point having a nice rivalry on I-4 between the Bulls & Knights.

They should definetly get UCF...they are a big school like UT and ASU and have so much potential...UCF is capable of so much more than we have ever seen from that program. One Florida trip per season would get those football schools to vote UCF in.

thedrUNKenLoper · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2010, 02:17:49 AM »

Exactly and now is the time to buy on UCF

Cynical Puppet · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2010, 06:29:03 AM »

Here's the deal with the Big East. They need to start pressuring their bball schools to move up or move on. I guarantee if they did that, Villanova may get a few swing votes the other way. May not be enough, but it'd definitely start making some board members think twice.

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