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I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« on: January 31, 2010, 07:38:04 AM »
Why won't any of you guys talk about when the repubs invited Obama to talk with them at their retreat?

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 04:19:10 PM »
What do you want to talk about?  The part where Congressman Ryan of Wisconsin called him out on his fuzzy math regarding the budget?

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 06:24:08 PM »
Why won't any of you guys talk about when the repubs invited Obama to talk with them at their retreat?

They might have invited Obama simply to tell him to enjoy the numbers of Dems until the Dems lose some of those seats to the Reps.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 06:45:59 PM »
They might have invited Obama simply to tell him to enjoy the numbers of Dems until the Dems lose some of those seats to the Reps.

You realize when the Republicans refuse to do any legislation they will lose seats as well? Heck, John McCain might not even get re-elected!

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 07:48:06 PM »
You realize when the Republicans refuse to do any legislation they will lose seats as well? Heck, John McCain might not even get re-elected!
You really are this retarded.  Republicans have everything to win by saying no unless said legislation leads slightly to the right.  McCain is getting voted out for throwing the election to Obama, for trying to handle Palin and then making her a scapegoat.  Add the fact that he is Progressive Lite of course there is a chance he gets voted out.  Deeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 10:05:29 PM »
You really are this retarded.  Republicans have everything to win by saying no unless said legislation leads slightly to the right.  McCain is getting voted out for throwing the election to Obama, for trying to handle Palin and then making her a scapegoat.  Add the fact that he is Progressive Lite of course there is a chance he gets voted out.  Deeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Full of excuses huh?

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 01:49:51 AM »
Can't see McCain getting voted out in Arizona especially since he gets things done in the senate, but voters sent a message in Massachusetts that if you fail to get things done at any level you'll be replaced. This goes for both Democrats and Republicans in the next election.
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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 02:41:10 AM »
Once again, people voted for things NOT to get done.  Knowing Brown was going to be vote 41 to STOP a piece of legislation, the people voted for him.  Which goes against the whole premise of that if you fail to get things done at any level you will get voted out.  The majority of Americans have seen far too much "progress" they will take nothing getting done over the alternitive. 

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 02:54:38 AM »
Can't see McCain getting voted out in Arizona especially since he gets things done in the senate, but voters sent a message in Massachusetts that if you fail to get things done at any level you'll be replaced. This goes for both Democrats and Repulicans in the next election.

BINGO WAS HIS F**KING NAMEO!!!!!!!  Hell of a post Loper.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 02:58:30 AM »
BINGO WAS HIS F**KING NAMEO!!!!!!!  Hell of a post Loper.
So did you not hear people chanting 41 at Browns victory speech.  Nothing about Lopers post made any sense.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 04:29:55 AM »
Blame the Republicans when the Dems had--HAD--the votes to pass this turd without them.  :'(

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 04:38:14 AM »
Once again, people voted for things NOT to get done.  Knowing Brown was going to be vote 41 to STOP a piece of legislation, the people voted for him.  Which goes against the whole premise of that if you fail to get things done at any level you will get voted out.  The majority of Americans have seen far too much "progress" they will take nothing getting done over the alternitive. 

Howard Dean saying Scott Brown's victory was a call for health care reform thinks there are some here who don't have a gd clue......

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 07:25:34 PM »
So did you not hear people chanting 41 at Browns victory speech.  Nothing about Lopers post made any sense.

You do realize that every resident of Massachusetts has state run health care right? The simple idea that they gave the rest of America a big f*ck you is a bit disappointing.  We will see how Brown does. He's already come out and said he won't just vote Republican because he caucuses with them. Let's see if he is all rhetoric or if he is a man of his word. 

No matter how the elections of November go, we cannot afford for Congress to continue to bicker and do nothing. In order for this country to continue to move forward, we cannot just hold status quo. Things need to happen, and at the current rate, that is not going to happen.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2010, 08:15:37 PM »
Yes I do know Massachussets has their own state run healthcare.  And from what I hear it leaves alot to be desired for.  John Ratzenberger, a NorthEastern Democrat campaigned for Scott Brown.    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIzX5XEaNI
         He did so because he knows what can be lost and gained.  Something some people need to be reminded of if they even care.       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw&feature=PlayList&p=D502C211132916D5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3    
The tea party movement swept Massachussets and people jumped on board.  There willl be no health care reform if it is not moderate or slightly right leaning.  
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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 08:38:28 PM »
We need to move forward?  We need to take a few giant steps back.  Your progressive agenda was exposed a while ago. 

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm
 People are now waking up to what is going on.  In large part because Obama himself showed his hand far too early. 

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 09:30:49 PM »
So you'd like us to regress as a country?

By the way, for anything you want to happen, the GOP needs the Dems to vote, obviously. Surely you realize that. Congress is ruining this country, and it has been for awhile. Too many people look to it as a career, which the founders did not want. We need higher turnover in DC, so having new people, whether Dem or Repub is a good thing IMO.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2010, 10:23:47 PM »
Of course I dont want to regress as a country.  I want the size of the Federal Government to regress and individual innovation to progress.  Small government is a need.  A small amount of taxes as well.  But not at this size.  If you truly cared what the founders intentions were you would realize this and go read up on their thoughts on Government run health care because the issue did come up. The Federal Government is the reason we are in this mess in the first place and YOU want them to FIX it because they promise something that a human cannot deliver.  Utopia.  Not fan of Alexander Hamilton but after reading this quote do you think he would favor a government run health care system?  I think not.  "Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants."  Federalist Papers No. 1

Mpalmer you only worry ab out the founders intentions when suitable for you. 

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 03:06:43 AM »
No, I do not. But, I also think that they were understanding their desires in the context of the times, which we still should do. They had no idea how big and powerful what they created would become, so how would they have given us their opinions on how to handle it?  No one can know.  They all thought it would fail, as most of them feared a direct democracy. 

I never said I supported an all-out government run health option.  There are pluses and minuses to everything. But, I do feel that there was some progress going to be made with this reform, in that 94% of Americans would have coverage, or access to it at a reasonable price.

Don't you ever wonder why our infant mortality rate is so high? Or why our life expectancy is so much lower than other leading nations? One factor is the large number of people who don't get adequate health coverage.

But, this thread is not about health care.

The "large government" vs "small government" debate is obviously one of the largest differences between the two parties.  I, for one, do not fear a large government (not saying it is the best policy). They are not taking away my freedoms as you continue to contend. My life has never changed in any significant way since I've been born (granted, I am young but still) and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 06:17:47 AM »
The founders didn't know how big and  powerful what they created would become?  Uhhhhhh yeah they did.  In response, they created the Constitution.  The Constitutionallows certain powers to the federal government, but leaves all other governmental authority with the states.  This is why you are seeing the Tenth Amendment Movement,   an attempt by the states to stop the expansion of the powers of the federal government and to reassert the original intent of the clauses in Article I, Section 8, and the Ninth and Tenth Amendmentsof the Constitution.  Also, there is nothing in Article V that allows the Constitutionto be changed or amended by interpretation, because of the "need of the times."  There are several warnings the founders gave that they were brilliant enough to set up the firewall that is the Constitution.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 06:26:28 AM »
It was NEVER intended the Constitution be open to interpretation. The Founders left us all kinds of documents including letters and essays, among which are the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers, and they're pretty clear on what the wording of the Constitution means.  In number 45 of the Federalist Papers, James Madison, the man often referred to as The Father of the Constitution, wrote:"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are FEW and DEFINED .

"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it."  John Adams

We are in a soft tyrannical government, and that is because we have guns.  The more taxes you pay, the less liberty you have.  Being forced to buy healthcare when it is clearly ones personal responsibility is another infringement.  Cap and trade would transfer wealth. 
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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 08:31:02 AM »
I didn't know I was having a conversation with the Michael Moore. Infant mortality rates per 1000 births         
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mort.svg

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/060924/2healy.htm

Love the leftist propaganda.  Question.  Would any "free market" healthcare system result in higher cost and lower quality?  Capitalism has provided the highest quality healthcare system in the world.   The market forces dont encourage you to innovate, it demands it.  U.S companies have developed half of all new major medicines introduced worldwide in the last 20 years.  Another question.  How many people do you know on a personal level that has died because they didn't recieve "adequate" health coverage.  I know NONE.  There have been a few who have had "adequate" health coverage and died anyways. Please read Alexander Hamilton's quote again.

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Re: I have been waiting to see if this would come up but it hasn't
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 02:54:24 PM »
I didn't know I was having a conversation with the Michael Moore. Infant mortality rates per 1000 births         
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mort.svg


We should be in the dark blue, not the next level, if our supposed free market system is so awesome like you claim.

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2010, 06:33:59 PM »
We should be in the dark blue, not the next level, if our supposed free market system is so awesome like you claim.
Fact.  Our infant mortality rates are just as bad as the other top countries that has similar population levels.  The less the population the better the infant mortality rate is.  Plus, these other countries are not consistent in the way they measure.  Countries like China and Cuba force abortion at any sign of problems and China only allows one child per couple.  Crap happens and since it does you want a bigger government.  How weak! 

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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 06:36:44 PM »
We should be in the dark blue, not the next level, if our supposed free market system is so awesome like you claim.
Looked at it again,  Yep it is dark blue you libtard.
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