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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2009, 05:21:33 PM »
If Colorado and Missouri left the big 12,  I dont think the confeence would wait for either Texas St or UTSA to join.  They would act fast.  I think Houston and either SMU or TCU would be added.   The only suprises wuld be if the conerence went after Memphis, New Mexico or LA Tech.  That would be just to add new markets to make up for the lost Denver and St Louis markets.

That was my next question.  With CU and Mizzou, would their be a knee-jerk reaction to fill in their spots immediately?  Adding SMU, Houston, or TCU would cause a conference realignment.  In that case, I could see the old Big 8 in one division and the old SWC in the other.  I would find that more fascinating.  it would be even better to lure LSU and Arkansas, but the chances of that happening is nil.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2009, 05:32:55 PM »
If you find anything, please post it...it's of interest to many CU fans including myself.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/127862-pac-10-expansion-now-or-never

this isnt it and im having a tough time finding it but its pretty good.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2009, 05:38:18 PM »
That was my next question.  With CU and Mizzou, would their be a knee-jerk reaction to fill in their spots immediately?  Adding SMU, Houston, or TCU would cause a conference realignment.  In that case, I could see the old Big 8 in one division and the old SWC in the other.  I would find that more fascinating.  it would be even better to lure LSU and Arkansas, but the chances of that happening is nil.

That wouldn't be a bad idea and they will have to continue the UT-OU series unless they play it outside of conference.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2009, 08:26:46 PM »
I got this from a Buffs site:

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Man, I can see why CU has $ issues. I just paged through my copy of The Stampede and in the center they have a Map of Buff Club Members - defined as contributing $100 or more. There cannot be more than ~5700 total across North America. 5200 are in Colorado. Only 100 shown in California and 62 in Texas. Those numbers are pathetic.

Whenever the old "Lets join the Pac 10" Threads start up there must be 500 posters who claim to be in California clamoring for the change. If we had a couple of thousand members in CA maybe CU would be attractive to the PAC 10.

There are ~65,000 CU alums along the Front Range. I would expect at least 20% to be contributing. There are only 10 in Oklahoma so if all the Okie posters on this board would join the BC at the $100 level we would double the number from that State.

Call 303-492-2200 or email buffclub@cufund.org to get the ball rolling.

Sorry for the rant but it seems that we should be able to get the Buff Club up to 15,000 plus.

I'm not trying to compare numbers between CU and other Big 12 members.  There are like 100,000 CU alumni living on the west coast and if CU was to join the Pac-10, it's very doable that CU doubles the Buff Club membership instantly.  I asked myself the question of whether or not CU has maxed out its fundraising when it comes to the Big 12 region and the Buffs could grow much more if the Buffs joined the Pac-10 since the Buff Club members from Colorado would stay put but the number of Buff Club members would explode on the west coast.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2009, 08:36:25 PM »
http://www.examiner.com/x-2170-Colorado-Sports-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Go-Mountain-West-young-Buffs

Colorado Examiner writer talking about the Buffs joining the MWC.  If the MWC gets an automatic BCS bid, what's to stop the Buffs from bolting the Big 12?

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2009, 08:27:07 PM »
http://www.examiner.com/x-2170-Colorado-Sports-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Go-Mountain-West-young-Buffs

Colorado Examiner writer talking about the Buffs joining the MWC.  If the MWC gets an automatic BCS bid, what's to stop the Buffs from bolting the Big 12?

CU probably would fit in better with the MWC.  As a Nebraska fan, I would be insulted by such and invitation.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2009, 02:40:59 PM »
CU probably would fit in better with the MWC.  As a Nebraska fan, I would be insulted by such and invitation.

I don't see NU fitting in with the MWC at all.  I don't think the MWC would like to allow a school like NU to come in a dominate that league.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2009, 02:58:00 PM »
If Colorado and Missouri left the big 12,  I dont think the confeence would wait for either Texas St or UTSA to join.  They would act fast.  I think Houston and either SMU or TCU would be added.   The only suprises wuld be if the conerence went after Memphis, New Mexico or LA Tech.  That would be just to add new markets to make up for the lost Denver and St Louis markets.

Don't laugh at Memphis...I have brought them up as possible additions to the Big 12 and have stated the reasons for doing that.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2009, 04:06:59 AM »
www.footballcoachscoop.com says that Boise State will join the MWC in 2011.  CU and Utah have been rumored of joining the Pac-10 in 2011.  Looks like 2010 could see some shakeup in conference memberships because when you change conferences, you end up playing one more season in the old conference before joining the new conference.

BSU would be a nice replacement for TCU shall TCU replace CU in the Big 12.

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Sources tell us that the Mountain West is trying to get BSU to join the conference for the 2011 season as the Mountain West needs a little push to get over the top in their climb to join the group of conferences who get to send their champions to a BCS game automatically.  The MWC believes that push can only come from Boise State.  After one year, the MWC is currently the fifth-best rated conference, although there are three more years' worth of numbers yet to come. After 2008, if the MWC were to add Boise State, it appears they would help the MWC’s numbers, but their addition wouldn’t change the MWC’s overall ranking.  Clearly, if the MWC could qualify on its own for an automatic BCS bid, they would prefer to not add another mouth to feed. The addition of Boise would mean all revenue would be split 10 ways instead of nine.  If, however, the addition of Boise comes with the guarantee of extra BCS dollars, all the schools will profit from the change.  Sources tell us that Boise is planning to play their final year in the WAC during 2010 and join the MWC in 2011, in time for final year of the BCS’ conference evaluation.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2009, 05:16:35 PM »
Houston is really looking like a good option for expansion right now.  They beat two Big 12 teams and are very very young. 

Adding Houston could realign the conference divisions to the old Big 8 vs the old SWC.  I'm all for that.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2009, 06:33:38 PM »
College football usually cycles.  When the Big 12 formed, it was the North schools that were the power of the conference.  After a coaching turnover, the North schools suffered.  It seems like NU and Mizzou have found their coaches, but are waiting for the talent gap to decrease.  It's getting there.

I don't know what to say about the conference championship game and maintaining rivalries.  But since you asked, I'm sure UT and OU would have loved to have another shot at each other last year.  I feel like our conference champions should take the attitude that they will play anybody anywhere at anytime.  If that means they have to play a rival twice, then so be it.  Who ducks from a rival anyways?

If the Big 12 keeps a conference championship, then I think conference like the PAC 10 and the Big 11 need championship games.  I will be surprise if the Pac 10 doesn't add a CC game after they expand. 

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2009, 01:03:54 AM »
Looking at Houston as an option, they only got 32K in attendance for their biggest game in 30 years last night.  They have a good team, but they don't bring anything to the table that we don't already have.  They don't bring add huge fan base, they don't add a TV market, they don't add academic prestige.

Also, I don't think it would be guaranteed that Texas and OU would meet in the conference championship game every year.  If OU were in the North, Texas would've lost the tiebreaker to Tech last year and the CCG would've been a rematch of the blowout.  Also, the other teams in the South division would have one less top 10 team on their schedule, giving them a much better chance to have one fewer loss on the schedule while Texas and OU would most definitely keep playing each other every year.  This is exactly what the ACC tried to do with FSU and Miami, putting them in opposite divisions, it hasn't panned out and they haven't met yet.  I would be for that alignment, but that's for selfish reason because it would give Tech a better chance to get to the championship game.  I expect A&M and OSU fans would too.  I imagine North fans and Texas fans wouldn't want it.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2009, 04:28:45 AM »
How about this for a wildcard which I imagine people probably will disagree with, but how about Minnesota for the reason its a north school with good academics, decent athletics and not a bad geographical fit. Its not a horrible TV market but I think it be a chance for Minnesota to compete which is something they struggle with in the Big11.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2009, 04:51:05 PM »
I imagine North fans and Texas fans wouldn't want it.

I'm all for adding OU to the North.  I think it would give the North a boost and restore the old Big 8 feel.  Then the winner of the North/Big 8 can take on the old SWC Champ. 

I also thing stronger competition strengthens you.  I think this would only make NU a better team overall having to play OU year in and year out.

I've thought about Minnesota, but I don't think we could pull them from the Big 10.  It would definitely be a good addition to the Big 12 since their team does have history and a large fan base that could be rejuvenated.  I think the chances are better if we can also add Iowa.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2009, 03:12:30 AM »
I'd think that Minnesota & Iowa would want to get out of the shadow of a Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and even Wisconsin. Iowa wont leave because I dont think they want to deal with Nebraska yearly in anything. But I truly believe Minnesota would listen.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2009, 02:30:17 PM »
I'd think that Minnesota & Iowa would want to get out of the shadow of a Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and even Wisconsin. Iowa wont leave because I dont think they want to deal with Nebraska yearly in anything. But I truly believe Minnesota would listen.

Minnesota would be a good addition to the Big 12 geographical-wise since MN borders Iowa.  Plus they have all those corporate HQs in the Twin Cities (Target & Best Buy for instance) plus add to the Big 12's TV market.  Clearly a better choice than TCU or Iowa for that matter.  I think they are the westernmost Big 10 school (unless Iowa City is a bit further west than the Twin Cities) so they could listen to such deals.

However, will Minny walk away from the money that they get from the Big 10 TV contracts?  Just like CU's Pac-10 hopes, the TV money has to be there and significantly more.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2009, 02:39:19 AM »
thats the big question the money, the BigTen Network provides its members, but I'd like to think Minnesota could be better long term than staying in the Big11. Geography is what I like to look at even if its not a huge deal but id like a Northern school for a northern school.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2009, 07:49:55 PM »
thats the big question the money, the BigTen Network provides its members, but I'd like to think Minnesota could be better long term than staying in the Big11. Geography is what I like to look at even if its not a huge deal but id like a Northern school for a northern school.

That would make sense.  That makes me wonder what kind of rivaliries the Gophers could develop with the Northern schools.  ISU would be a border state affair.

Another thing with the Gophers is that they would be a nice replacement for CU since they are a school that is overshadowed by the local NFL team.

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I don't think putting OU in the North would be a good idea.  OU would be an automatic lock for the North title every year...FORGET IT!  I'd rather see OSU in the North but I seriously doubt OSU will agree to that move because if they do move, they might lose recruiting in Dallas-Ft. Worth and they have been doing it for years.

TCU is the obvious pick for the North and the more I think of that as a Big 12 sports fan, the more I like it.  TCU very well could be the key to restoring the competitive balance of the Big 12 Conference because that means Dallas-Ft. Worth will be opened up to the other North schools.

SMU would be another good choice.  They can assert the same position as Vanderbilt in the SEC and they won't feel the same competive pressure to expand their stadium versus the South schools.

North Texas is planning on constructing a new stadium on campus on an old golf course.  They can always increase the seating in the final design.

The fans of those North schools won't always travel to Dallas so the pressure on those schools to expand their stadiums won't be as much versus the South.  If TCU, SMU, and UNT were told that they would play in the South, I think they would more likely decline the invitation from the Big 12.

So basically put if CU leaves, replace them with a Dallas area school.  Look at what TCU did to the MWC.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2009, 08:02:05 PM »
Look at TCU's facilities: http://gofrogs.cstv.com/facilities/tcu-facilities-home.html

I think TCU is ready to jump to the Big 12 if they get the invite.  They have the facilities in place and the only facility that would need to be expanded would be the football stadium and that stadium clearly has the room to expand.  It is expandable to 60k but I don't think TCU will need to go that far.  I don't think I can stress enough how much of a perfect fit TCU would be for the North.

I suspect the MWC would take BSU and either SMU or UNT to replace TCU.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2009, 08:02:55 PM »
Bone, OU has been pretty close to an automatic lock in the South from 2000 till today.

I think NU could compete with OU in the coming years.  I don't know where this puts Mizzou or KU though.

The North could take a middle of the pack OSU or say TCU, but I don't see how that strengthens the North and balances the conference at all.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2009, 08:24:24 PM »
Bone, OU has been pretty close to an automatic lock in the South from 2000 till today.

I think NU could compete with OU in the coming years.  I don't know where this puts Mizzou or KU though.

The North could take a middle of the pack OSU or say TCU, but I don't see how that strengthens the North and balances the conference at all.

You obviously haven't noticed how much TCU has helped the MWC's prestige.  OU and OSU plus the other South schools really do recruit DFW...if the North was to have a school in the DFW, it would help the North when it comes to recruiting.  This could affect OU's recruiting and break their hold on the Big 12.

Plus with the MWC schools, TCU wouldn't have to make a huge adjustment in their travel expenses when you factor in the North schools for their travel expenses.

I don't think ISU, KU, KSU, and MU would even approve of OU moving to the North anytime soon.  OSU would balk at moving to the North.  Ditto for TT and BU.  The clear choice is TCU and what they can add to the North division.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2009, 10:13:33 PM »
http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=19423&st=0

A radio station in Salt Lake City sounded like Utah and CU to the Pac-10 could be done within 18 months (I think such a thing would happen sometime next year at the earliest).

Also this message board talked about how Pac-10 expansion would kill the MWC's BCS dreams.

I don't know what those BYU fans are thinking...they think BYU could replace CU and I believe the other 11 Big 12 schools don't necessarily like traveling to CU.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2009, 10:25:03 PM »
http://www.ktar.com/?sid=1206270&nid=479#

'Loper, could this be what you heard?

It seems like the pieces could be coming together.

Let me rehash the reason why CU turned down the Pac-10 in the first place.  The Big 12 just formed and CU did play a major role in forming the Big 12 so CU decided not to move to the Pac-10 at the time.  Nearly 15 years later, it seems like CU and its fans are regretting not making the move to the Pac-10 in the first place.  Suppose the Pac-10 comes calling, I don't think CU says no the second time around.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2009, 10:50:00 PM »
If Utah and CU went to the Pac 10, then the MWC would replace Utah with Boise State and the Big 12 would replace CU with TCU, then the MWC would scramble to find a replacement for TCU.  Losing Utah and TCU would be a killer for the MWC, sure they could bring in UTEP, Nevada or Tulsa, but that would just put them right back at the WAC of the early 90's.  CU wouldn't hurt the Big 12 too bad by leaving because they're just one team, if Mizzou also left for the Big 10 then we'd have a problem.

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Re: Conference Membership thread
« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2009, 09:31:24 PM »
If Utah and CU went to the Pac 10, then the MWC would replace Utah with Boise State and the Big 12 would replace CU with TCU, then the MWC would scramble to find a replacement for TCU.  Losing Utah and TCU would be a killer for the MWC, sure they could bring in UTEP, Nevada or Tulsa, but that would just put them right back at the WAC of the early 90's.  CU wouldn't hurt the Big 12 too bad by leaving because they're just one team, if Mizzou also left for the Big 10 then we'd have a problem.

The MWC will most likely ask either SMU or UNT to join.  If SMU joins, the C-USA will go after UNT.  The Sun Belt strikes out in this expansion deal.  The MWC is planning ahead and I hope the Big 12 is doing the same thing.  I believe TCU will be the team that replaces CU so it is becoming more crystal clear.

I strongly believe that MU will stay put in the Big 12 because the Big 11 will go after Sycrause, Pitt, or Rutgers if Norte Dame says no for the last time.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/260725-a-pac-12-in-2011-hints-abound

Washington State cancelled a 2011 game at Hawaii due to "uncertain changes in the Pac-10 scheduling."

CU wouldn't have to bail out on the likes of Hawaii and Frenso State in their 2011 schedule because Pac-10 member Cal is on the 2011 schedule and there won't be any monentary damages for breaking a contract between two member schools in that case.