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CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« on: October 21, 2008, 03:42:01 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/

I have Obama picking up at least 347 votes compared to McCain's 191 votes and that even has McCain winning Ohio.  Even if McCain takes Florida, Virgina (unlikely), and North Carolina, it wouldn't be enough for him to win the election.  McCain would need to take PA as well but that state has been more supportive of the Dems of late.

At this point, I cannot see Obama losing the election.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 05:38:04 AM »
Most estimations have Obama winning by 10+ electoral votes.  But, those are only based on small polls which are hard to generalize, no matter how good they are.  The polls never reflect the final tally completely accurately.  I feel confident Obama will win, but with two weeks left, who knows the cards McCains is holding up his sleeve.

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 02:33:15 PM »
Most estimations have Obama winning by 10+ electoral votes.  But, those are only based on small polls which are hard to generalize, no matter how good they are.  The polls never reflect the final tally completely accurately.  I feel confident Obama will win, but with two weeks left, who knows the cards McCains is holding up his sleeve.

McCain better show them very soon since people are now able to start voting in absentee.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2008, 03:53:32 PM »
I thought I read somewhere that the recent trend in presidential elections that Republicans are more likely to vote.  If in those polls the McCain supporters show up 4-10% more than Obama, he can take the swing states.

The problem is that McCain hasn't energized his supporters in the way that Obama has been working on the last week or two.  I almost think the RNC leaders are expecting to lose this election so the Dems can fail and so the country will swing back to the Republicans in 4 years.

I just hope whoever is elected doesn't fail.  I don't think we can afford that to happen.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2008, 04:07:47 PM »
According to CNN, McCain is conceding Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico.

He is, get this, putting all his eggs in Pennsylvania... a state Obama has a CLEAR lead in.  By conceding those states, all Obama has to do is win every state Kerry did and he has 273....

Here is a good site to keep track of daily changes! http://www.electoral-vote.com/

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 05:32:14 PM »
According to CNN, McCain is conceding Colorado, Iowa, and New Mexico.

He is, get this, putting all his eggs in Pennsylvania... a state Obama has a CLEAR lead in.  By conceding those states, all Obama has to do is win every state Kerry did and he has 273....

Here is a good site to keep track of daily changes! http://www.electoral-vote.com/

JJ, great website...I have been looking for something like that.

It's a big mistake on McCain's part.  I don't understand why he's focusing on Pennsylvania when it is obvious that he will lose that state.

Even if you subtract those states that are leaning towards the Dems and give them to McCain, Obama has enough votes to win the election anyway.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 08:27:22 PM »
I think its pretty clear by now who has run the better campaign overall.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 02:26:09 PM »
If McCain had the money that Obama had, I think McCain would be a clearcut winner.  I'm pretty sure in my lifetime, the candidate that has the most money wins the election.

What is impressive about McCains campaign is that he didn't have the backing of the Republican party.  Guiliani was their guy.  August of 2007, McCain was only getting about 10% of the vote while Guiliani had a clear lead.  Then after a few weeks of primaries, McCain was the clearcut winner.  He rose from the ashes and took over the Republican party.  He had Rush Limbaugh up in arms.

The Republican backers aren't sold on McCain because he doesn't subscribe to all their agenda.  A lot of them will get out and vote for him, but they won't donate their money like they donated to Bush.

I was hoping McCain would win so he could weed out some of the cronies in the Republican party, but it looks like if Obama wins, the "good ole boy" network will need to get tighter so they can work together to get one of their own in in 2012.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 03:46:46 PM »
I'm not quite so sure that it would have made any difference if McCain had all the money and support of the Republicans due to the kind of condition this country is in.  Bush will be credited for increasing the size of the economcy but at the same time, the deregulation stuff pushed by Bush and the Republicans led us to this economic mess although the decisions of the Bill Clinton adminstration has something to do with this as well.  When the economcy goes bad, you fix it.  We saw this unfold back in 1992 as well in addition to 1976.  Same goes for when FDR became president.  People will be simply too afraid to continue the same economic policies of the current president's party.  I'm ready for a CHANGE because I'd rather make the change than no change at all.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/martin.politics/index.html

I know this article is from CNN which could be considered the mouthpiece of the Dems but the writer does bring up some good points.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 05:11:18 AM »
Wow...McCain is struggling to keep the lead in his own home state as he leads by just 2% (44 to 42) in Arizona.  I think 400 electoral votes aren't out of the question for Obama.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 05:23:26 AM »
Wow...McCain is struggling to keep the lead in his own home state as he leads by just 2% (44 to 42) in Arizona.  I think 400 electoral votes aren't out of the question for Obama.

That would be pretty ridiculous.  I don't think he will even top 300 truthfully. 

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 03:47:50 PM »
That would be pretty ridiculous.  I don't think he will even top 300 truthfully. 

You mean McCain?  You need 270 to win the election.  Obama will definetly get about 350 if not more.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 05:42:25 PM »
You mean McCain?  You need 270 to win the election.  Obama will definetly get about 350 if not more.

You're putting a lot of stock into the polls.

It's too bad McCain couldn't energize his campaign since the RNC any more than he did.  I know it's hard with the media swayed toward Obama. 

From what I can tell, the people voting are either those for Obama or those against Obama.

There is a lot to exploit about Obama, but like slick Willy, the **** don't stick.  It will be nice if Obama can balance the budget like Bill, but what is it going to cost us?  How many freedoms will we lose. 

It's like what Michael Savage said yesterday before he endorsed McCain.  "I'd rather take a Bush III than and Marx II."

Bone, you're pretty well read (from what it sounds on here), can't you see the similarities to Karl Marx philosophy and Obama's or are you just overlooking or ignoring it? 

The problem is that the people who didn't learn about history are destined to repeat it.  (pardon the cliche) This time its going to happen in our borders.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 06:49:45 PM »
Get out of here with that Marxist bullshit. Its a lame accusation that has already failed miserably.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 06:59:36 PM »
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081028/tv_campaign_humor.html?.v=1

McCain/Palin leading in jokes by a Margin of 7:1.

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Comic D.L. Hughley, who began a comedy show on CNN last weekend, believes there's a hesitation among white comedy writing staffs and late-night hosts to joke about a black candidate. Fearing a slip into something considered offensive, some comics are conservative.

He jokes about how it might be for a white man to be the first to lose a campaign for president to a black -- "that's got to look bad at the country club." Hughley, who's black, delivers the joke easily for a laugh but wonders whether white comics would even think of such a line or say it.

As long as we're politically correct, right?

Get out of here with that Marxist bullshit. Its a lame accusation that has already failed miserably.

In all fairness, he did quote McCain as being the next Bush.  The problem is the Obama camp can dish, but that can't take.

In world history, have you ever wondered how countries fall to Communism and socialism by the support of the people?  If not, then I see your stance. 

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 07:17:23 PM »
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081028/tv_campaign_humor.html?.v=1

McCain/Palin leading in jokes by a Margin of 7:1.

As long as we're politically correct, right?

In all fairness, he did quote McCain as being the next Bush.  The problem is the Obama camp can dish, but that can't take.

In world history, have you ever wondered how countries fall to Communism and socialism by the support of the people?  If not, then I see your stance. 
Do you really believe the United States will become a socialist country under Obama?

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 07:28:34 PM »
If we wanted to become communist, we would need to buy out every single corporation out there and there is no way this country has this kind of money in order to do so.  We'd just have to take over companies by force.

That reminds me of people on the left saying our country was headed towards a theological government (just like Iran) under Bush.

The defination of Marx has evolved over time.  If we were to become communist, not only would the economcy be changed by society as well.  We would have a classless society and with today's society, it would be next to impossible to pull that off.  Marxism is pretty much no longer the free world's biggest threat.  It isn't terrorism as well.  It's what is called 21st Century Captialism which seems to be the case in Russia and it's becoming the thing in China.  Those are going to be authoritian governments in a captialist economcy.  That is something that should seriously alarm people.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 10:45:14 PM »
I checked the electoral calculator and I have Obama getting 378 votes.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/scores.html#1980

378 votes would be similar to what Bill Clinton got back in 1992 and 1996 but not near the Regan-like numbers in the 1980's where he got 489 in 1980 and 525 in 1984.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 11:56:34 PM »
Pretty decisive victory. Speaks volumes about the Marxist.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 04:58:14 AM »
Pretty decisive victory. Speaks volumes about the Marxist.

That 378 number would be 70 percent of the electoral votes.  400 would push it closer to 75%.  Pretty decisive in my book and we will still be the country that we are instead of becoming like China or Cuba.

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Re: CNN's Electoral College Calculator
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2008, 04:40:34 PM »
Obama's tax plan: socialist
Obama's health plan: socialist

If you have the power to distribute the money and control the health, then the rest will follow.

Have you met anyone on Medicare or went through Workers comp that actually had a positive experience? 

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2008, 05:17:19 PM »
Have you even read Obamas health plan yet? You've been asked repeatedly and never answered yes. I really don't think you have a clue about it.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2008, 06:10:49 PM »
Obama's tax plan: socialist
Obama's health plan: socialist

If you have the power to distribute the money and control the health, then the rest will follow.

Have you met anyone on Medicare or went through Workers comp that actually had a positive experience? 

'Crow, under Obama's plan, I do not have to give up my health insurance with Kasier Permanete.  It's so obvious that you have not read Obama's healthcare plan.

Also, have you read the other threads about how many small business owners earn more than $250k a year?

I have met people from Canada in college and everyone up there is covered by Medicare.  I have heard the pros and cons of such a thing especially from a country like Canada.  There's no way Obama is fool enough to require every American to be covered by Medicare especially when it has been in many ways a failure in Canada which has about 10% the population of the United States.  People from Canada have been voting for politicans to lower their high taxes and as a result, Canada allowed people to have private health insurance for the first time because it doesn't work that well.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 07:23:42 PM »
I read it, but it didn't say anything different than I already heard.  It's when he says things like "require" that throws up the bells and whistles for me.

Ok, yeah, making sure school lunches are healthy, people need to have fresh choices at the groceries stores, etc...

I see Obama's plan as a way of transitioning health care to a socialist system.  It won't be overnight.

I am a doubter he can carry out everything that he mentions in his plan.  What will get left out?  And how much will it cost?  Who will pay for it?

It fails to address a few of the biggest problems with our healthcare today.
1.  Illegals and emergency room visits.  Who will pay for it? 
2.  Drug company advertising.
3.  Pharmaceutical sales reps practices.

Other questions I have:
1.  Who will decide the usual and customary fees for procedures?  Will doctors set their own fees or will it be controlled by the government?
2.  Who will regulate the standard of care?  ex. Right now the Drug companies tell us when our cholesterol is over 180, then our cholesterol is high. (It used to be 200).  When is fact, people who have low cholesterol (below 150) die younger than people who have cholesterol between 180-250.  If a person goes to a Dr and their cholesterol is 200, they're going to get a prescription because the drug companies say that's the standard of care.
3.  Will there still be the high number of pharmaceutical sales reps?  Will they lavish doctor's offices with gifts for rewards for prescribing medications?  If this isn't controlled, how can it be fixed?  We're over prescribed because people are paid by the pharmaceutical companies to push their drugs.  Obama will only keep them from charging as much as they currently are.  That means they need to sell more drugs.  Their tools: Advertise, pharmaceutical reps, invent new conditions/diseases, change the standard of care.

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Although the pharmaceutical and biotech industries "typically [have] aligned politically with the GOP," this year "drug company employees have given substantially more to Obama than McCain,"


Ok, in all fairness what I like about his plan is the inclusion of preventative health care the stresses the need for americans to be responsible for their own health. 
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Underinvestment in prevention and public health. Too many Americans go without high-value preventive
services...Yet despite
all of this less than 4 cents of every health care dollar is spent on prevention and public health.8 Our health care
system has become a disease care system, and the time for change is well overdue.

What I like about McCain's, while still not perfect, has many similarities to Obama's good points.  The fundamental difference is McCain gives the tax credit so Americans can purchase their own under existing companies.  Obama's seems to be if you don't have coverage through your employer, you can buy into the government system.  That means 45 million Americans already uninsured plus those who currently have lousy insurance won't get a choice.

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 10:28:18 PM »
That means 45 million Americans already uninsured plus those who currently have lousy insurance won't get a choice.

Right now they have no choice.